Thursday, June 28, 2007

Chapter Seven – Can modesty be natural?

On chapter seven Shalit discussed if modesty can be natural. First she discussed about women vulgarity and modesty. Again she returned to talk about pornography as an example of vulgarity, and asks if women are much vulgar than men. She used the argument of women being vulgar in order to attempt to be equal as men. It seems to me that she likes to emphasize that there is a competition between women and men in all situations in life. She discussed about etiquette between men and women, and she gave some examples of men’s behavior after long term relationships. I don’t believe that “bad manners” can have a bad influence in couple’s relationship, if both accept them. In other words, before you get into a relationship you must know about your partner, and you have the right to break up the relationship. Her second proof is based on the way how women dress themselves. Well, I think this is very personal. In my opinion we should never stereotype women. They are indeed different than men. Some women came from different cultures with different values. The right question should be: Are women really embarrassed on the streets? Well, I’ll leave the answer for you guys. The third proof “don’t-say-it-that-way”, she wants to prove that women are always misunderstood by men. I think that Shalit generalizes men. There are different kinds of men, and if men don’t respect women’s feelings, for sure he is not the “right” person for her. What is wrong in that? It is a question of choosing the “right” person, or a person who can at least understands her. So, let’s go to her fourth proof. It’s crazy. Of course young girls are embarrassed about everything. After all, they don’t have enough life experience to decide what it is wrong or right. So the only thing that woman can do, and I’d like to include men, is to take risk. Life is all about taking risks. Finally she acknowledges that there are differences, and she used religion as an example of different concepts of modesty as a virtue. I don’t agree with Shalit when she says that “woman who is praised may be conveying to the world by her bashfulness”. Nowadays women are as competitive as men. This is the proof that she is wrong. Perhaps she sees herself as a woman in the 50s. I don’t believe in false modesty, as Shalit argues. I believe that there are different “levels of modesty”. For example what it is modesty for me might not be it for other person. A rich person could think that modesty is to have a one million dollar house, only one luxurious yacht, and only one expensive car because he or she compares his or her modesty with that of a billionaire person who has four million dollar houses, two luxurious yachts, and ten expensive cars. So, there is a different modesty for everyone. Next, there is another Shalit’s attempt to protect sexual modesty. She says:”the beauty of sexual modesty is that it protects your secrets for the man who truly loves you.” I feel that she reduces a man-woman relationship to a sexual, carnal contract. I’d like to ask to Shalit and you guys: Where is the companionship between man and woman in her ideas? And what about the respect? So, Ms. Shalit, I would like to inform you that life is not only about sex. I can understand that when you wrote this book you were a young girl discovering yourself. A proof that life is not all about sex is your grandparents’ relationship. What a beautiful mature relationship and companionship. But perhaps in the past they were all about sex either.
Jose Luis Iglesias

3 comments:

Group 4 said...

When Shalit explains that sexual modesty prtoects your secrets from the companion that truly loves you, I think shes right and wrong. I think that is a committment and a serious step in a relationship, but can ruin what your partner may have left to discover. If someone is left wondering when,where, and how something will happen, that person has a lot to look forward to. Once you've given away that ultimate secret it's kind of like what's left to find? At the same time if you are committed to the relationship then I don't think you should hold back from doing anything with whomever you are dating at the time. Sometimes those relationships don't work out, but you live and you learn. That's how you find the person that truly loves you and who you truly love. I think being sexually modest can have its benefits, but at the same time I don't think anyone should hold anything back. Ever.

-Brandon Kinlein

Group 4 said...

How can modesty not be natural. I can force myself to be reserved when I'm speaking about topics of interest. I cannot force myself to take my pants off and walk around a room full of people. I'm modest. I know certain people aren't that modest and probably could walk around bottomless without having a panic attack.

I think people are born with a certain level of modesty. When you mature you do tend to become less modest. Personal experience sways my opinion so I could be wrong.

-John Johnson

Anonymous said...

I think I agree with Shalit. Secrets make a relationship special and trustworthy. Withholding sex is like a huge secret that is very special to your future love. That shows that you value the relationship and can share something only with that one person.

I kind of disagree that "everything is not about sex." There are so many different societies that base their morals and values on protecting oneself from sexual harassment, such as, Egypt. The women have to dress themselves so they wouldn't be an object of lust for the men. Most of their customs and rules are about withstanding sexual temptations.

One thing I found interesting about modesty being natural was the way we are ticklish. When someone touches us we automatically jump back. I feel like that's a sure sign of modesty being innate.

-Joy Jen